How do you sync sound ?

[jefury]

I've been into Super 8 and film for so long and I don't even know what Rank means?

Is that a type of transfer?

Thanks!

Jeffery

[Nigel]

The camera WILL have to be crystal synched or somehow the recorder WILL have to be slaved to the camera. From there your film will be slowed down in Rank Xfer from 24.000FPS if crystal synched to 23.976. Which will throw the sound unless you can pull that down as well. One way around this is to shoot your film at 23.976FPS right off the bat. Then you don't have to do anything to the sound. Either way you can't simply just line up the claps in S8 these days--unless you make sure you really know what you are doing.

Good Luck

[rollemfilm]

if you shoot short takes, around 60 seconds or less, this method works well. you only need crystal for longer shots. i have shot entire 50 ft segmants without crystal and have held perfect sync. i have used Canon 814E & 514XL-s cameras. for sound i have used Sony pro-walkman WMD-3 (no-crystal) and mini disk recorders. like i said before it's a cr-p shoot, but it works. if you can't afford the sync gear, shoot for sync any way, you might get lucky.

[rollemfilm]

Rank is a film to tape transfer. But unlike basic film chain, the image is scanned. It is the best transfer you can get. It helps realize the full potential of film to video.

[rollemfilm]

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[jefury]

Oh thanks, I was looking for this post.

Jeffery

[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rollemfilm:
if you transfer via standard film chain, no adjustment of the audio is needed.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi!

This isn't always true, depending on the degree to which the film chain has been maintained. There is actually a fairly wide margin of error on film chains in which it can be off speed and you will not find any perceptible flicker. The projector could be running at 23.976 or it could be running at an even 24, etc. In either case, it will appear normal.

However, for synch sound purposes this may not really matter if your takes are short enough. I use video to record field audio all the time when shooting crystal synch at 24fps. Even though the Rank lays it out at 23.976, it works okay. But, unlike the Rank where everything is pretty constant from one machine to the next (speed wise), film chains are notoriously unstable from set up to set up.

Roger

[rollemfilm]

my comment was about the Rank system vs a standard film chain that does not utilize pull down. read more about this at:
http://members.aol.com/fmgp

[dr.sanchez]

It's not really beating a dead horse but getting there.....
I would think there would be editing software that could do the following:
If a non-sync camera is spitting out (e.g.) 25.34 frames per second but is also spitting out a pulse at 25.34 hz (once each frame) which is recorded on a constant-speed system like a minidisc, wouldn't it be trivial to sync up each 1/25.34th second segment of sound with its corresponding frame? Almost as if there was a clapper at each frame? The software could squish and stretch each 1/25.34th second of sound to match each frame.
It would definitely be in sync but maybe the pitch of each 1/25.34th sound segment would change, especially relative to its neighboring sound segments. But can't pitch be resolved?
Could something like this work? Or would it mess up the sound so bad that it sounds like some of the Jethro Tull albums I left in the rain when I was 10?

[dr.sanchez]

....and I've got nothing against Jethro Tull. In fact, I own about 20 of their albums....